Paulina Henrietta THOMPSON

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• FamilySearch ID: KVVH-BC6
• Residence: 1882, Ashland, Ashland, Wisconsin, United States

Paulina married Mathias Balthazar FIRMENICH on 11 Feb 1867 in Holland, Brown, Wisconsin, United States. Mathias (son of Johann Peter FIRMENICH and Anna Marie VOISSEL) was born on 12 Feb 1842 in Eicks, Nordrhein-Westfalen, Germany; died on 26 Sep 1931 in Ashland, Ashland, Wisconsin, United States; was buried in Ashland, Ashland, Wisconsin, United States. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

1. Albert J M FIRMENICH was born on 29 Mar 1868 in Wrightstown, Brown, Wisconsin, United States; died on 22 Jun 1938 in International Falls, Koochiching, Minnesota, United States; was buried in 1938 in Ashland, Ashland, Wisconsin, United States.
2. Mary Frances FIRMENICH was born on 19 Jan 1870 in Wrightstown, Brown, Wisconsin, United States; died on 25 Jun 1913 in Cohasset, Itasca, Minnesota, United States; was buried in Cohasset, Itasca, Minnesota, United States.
3. Henry William FIRMENICH was born on 14 Aug 1871 in Wrightstown, Brown, Wisconsin, United States; died on 6 Jan 1946 in Baudette, Lake of the Woods, Minnesota, United States; was buried in Baudette, Lake of the Woods, Minnesota, United States.
4. Emma Jane FIRMENICH was born on 23 Jun 1873 in Wrightstown, Brown, Wisconsin, United States; died on 28 Apr 1941 in Ashland, Ashland, Wisconsin, United States; was buried in Ashland, Ashland, Wisconsin, United States.
5. Frank Charles FIRMENICH was born on 23 May 1875 in Wrightstown, Brown, Wisconsin, United States; and died.
6. Anna P FIRMENICH was born on 13 Jun 1877 in Wrightstown, Brown, Wisconsin, United States; died in 1885.
7. Hattie Bertha FIRMENICH was born on 14 Jul 1879 in Wausau, Marathon, Wisconsin, United States; died on 2 Sep 1885; was buried on 2 Sep 1885 in Ashland, Ashland, Wisconsin, United States.
8. Edmond F FIRMENICH was born on 4 Dec 1880 in Brighton, Marathon, Wisconsin, United States; died on 4 Sep 1885; was buried on 4 Sep 1885 in Ashland, Ashland, Wisconsin, United States.
9. Sarah E FIRMENICH was born on 9 Dec 1882 in Brighton, Marathon, Wisconsin, United States; died on 4 Sep 1885; was buried on 4 Sep 1885 in Ashland, Ashland, Wisconsin, United States.
10. Rose Catherine FIRMENICH was born on 20 Sep 1885 in Ashland, Ashland, Wisconsin, United States; died on 21 Jan 1978 in Bellingham, Whatcom, Washington, United States; was buried in Ferndale, Whatcom, Washington, United States.
11. Ida Viola FIRMENICH was born on 27 Oct 1887 in Ashland, Ashland, Wisconsin, United States; died on 31 Oct 1952 in Ashland, Ashland, Wisconsin, United States; was buried in Ashland, Ashland, Wisconsin, United States.
12. Clara Etta FIRMENICH was born on 12 Dec 1889 in Ashland, Ashland, Wisconsin, United States; died on 10 Feb 1981 in Milwaukee, Milwaukee, Wisconsin, United States; was buried on 14 Feb 1981 in Ashland, Ashland, Wisconsin, United States.
13. Edna Gertrude FIRMENICH was born on 2 Jul 1892 in Ashland, Ashland, Wisconsin, United States; died on 8 Aug 1971 in Grand Coulee, Grant, Washington, United States; was buried in Lincoln, Lincoln, Washington, United States.

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• Name: Henry Thompson
• FamilySearch ID: K2T7-PHR
• Residence: 1842, Granville, Milwaukee, Wisconsin, United States
• Residence: 1850, Granville, Milwaukee, Wisconsin, United States
• Possessions: 22 Feb 1858, Brown, Wisconsin, United States; 160 acres
• Residence: Between 1860 and 1870, Morrison, Brown, Wisconsin, United States
• Occupation: 1850–1870; Farmer
• Death: 22 Feb 1890, Wrightstown, Brown, Wisconsin, United States

William married Claude Françoise QUINET in 1839 in Syracuse, Onondaga, New York, United States. Claude (daughter of Pierre-Jean QUINET and Marie-Françoise GRANGIER) was born on 9 Mar 1817 in Menoux, Département de Haute-Saône (Franche-Comté), France; died on 31 Jan 1899 in Wrightstown, Brown, Wisconsin, United States; was buried in Wrightstown, Brown, Wisconsin, United States. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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• FamilySearch ID: L839-T28
• Baptised: 17 Mar 1817, Menoux, Département de Haute-Saône (Franche-Comté), France

William + Fasmie RUINNET. Fasmie was born in Ireland; and died. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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• WikiTree Link: Quinet-7
• FamilySearch ID: LC8P-3TY
• Baptism: 14 Aug 1782, La Paroisse de Contréglise, Département de Haute-Saône (Franche-Compté), France
• Immigration: 1832
• Residence: Between 1832 and 1841, Syracuse, Onondaga, New York, United States
• Naturalization: 8 Aug 1841, Onondaga, New York, United States
• Occupation: 1850–1860; Farmer
• Residence: 1855–1860, Fredonia, Ozaukee, Wisconsin, United States

Notes:

In addition to being a weaver (tisserand) it seems that Pierre was also an iron monger and dealer in hardware. Jacques Charbonnier, who discovered this information, explains it this way: "(Translation by RLQ) "On the subject of Pierre, before he was married at age 28 he worked as a weaver at Contréglise in the house of his father or another person in his family .... He was perhaps an apprentice, then a companion, but he was not the'patron (boss)'. After his marriage he set up his home at Menoux, the village of his wife, and it is there that he had his children. At Menoux, he worked for his own family and [apparently --RLQ] wanted to take on another more profitable occupation and became a hardware merchant, an iron monger. I have often run across this change of occupation among my ancestors after their marriage. After arriving in the US, he worked where he could, perhaps odd jobs downtown to start ... but in the countryside there was a place for them, so he became a farmer as indicated in the census.: Jacques Charbonnier (email, jacques.charbonnier@free.fr, 23 June 2004, Subject: Re: La famille QUINET-GRANGIER ... Commentaires !)



Dates of marriages of children place La Famille Quinet in Wisconsin between 1841 (marriage of Polly) and 1845 (marriages of Nicolas and Emily Frances), and the births of the first two children of Moise-Joseph Runnoe and Pauline Quinet further narrows the move to Wisconsin to the period between May 1842 (Josephine Runnoe born in NY) and 3 Nov 1844 (Isaac Runnoe born in WI). This, of course, assumes that the extended family all moved together (quite a logical assumption in those days). See individual records.

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The following -- together with wrong turns and dead ends -- traces a research project to find where the Quinet ancestors came from in France. The project did not culminate until 16 June 2004: Robert L. Quinnett.



According to Jennie Philpott, who died in Canada in 1951, the Quinet family came from a place which sounded to her like "Min New." : Letter from Jennie Philpott in the possession of Robert L. Quinnett. She was recalling what she had heard as a child. She could neither read nor write French, and that was the best way she could pronounce the place her mother used to talk about. If one measures about 20 miles north of the approximate edge of the city limits of Paris, there is a place called Mouy on the Thèrain River about 12-13 miles SE of Beauvais. If one measures from the center of Paris, it hits on the Oise River somewhere between Chembly and Chantilly, but angling it a little to the west hits at a town called Mery-sur-Oise. On 25 March 1999 Robert L. Quinnett checked for telephone numbers belonging to anyone named Quinet in the area referred to above, namely in the valley of the Oise (Val d'Oise--95000). Only one Quinet (Jean-Baptiste) was found in the town of Pontoise @ 01 30 31 16 72. Some names similar to Quinet (orthographic) were found, however: a Quenet in Pontoise and Chainay, Cuennet and Quesné on up the Thèrain river in Beauvais



The two towns above don't sound like "Min-New." Mouy sounds like "Moo-ee" and Mery sounds like "Mair-ee". Neither fit, but it's possible that Jennie, a child, misunderstood an entire conversation or comment and that the word or words referred to something else entirely, not a location from which the family came. Also, by the time she wrote the letter in the forties, she might have forgotten what it sounded like.

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In 1982, a descendant of Octavia Quinet and Peter Neuens, stated that the Quinet Family came from "Minuex" France, close to Paris: Marjorie Adair Neunes Gratton, MERRY CHRISTMAS to the descendants of the QUINET -- NEUENS FAMILY (December 1982), from Shirley & Harold Tisdell, 29492 County Road 181, Paynesville, MN 56362 (grandmat@tkdlink.net), 27 December, 2002.



On 7 January 2002 I [Robert L. Quinnett] used Microsoft Expedia Maps, http://www.expedia.com/, in an attempt to find "Minuex", France. It does not exist. The closest town by sound to both "Min-New" (above) and "Minuex" (also above) is "Menoux" in Franche-Comté, south of the Alsace-Lorraine region and half-way across France from Paris. A search in the Internet using Cousins Gen-Web (http://cousinsgenweb.francegenweb.org/) revealed that no one appears to be researching the name of Quinet in Menoux, so no sudden solution to this had so far developed. It would not be until 16 June 2004 that I would be forced to look at Menoux again.



On 16 June 2004 I received information that Pierre (a weaver) and Marie (Marie-Françoise GRANDGIER) were married on 13 February 1811 at Menoux, Haute-Saône.: LDS, Family Search microfilm #1071343, information from Jacques Charbonnier, jacques.charbonnier@free.fr, email dated 16 June 2004, Subject: Famille QUINET ou ... extra-terrestres ? ... SUITE and email dated 22 June 2004, Subject: La famille QUINET-GRANGIER ... Modificatif ! This second email corrected the spelling of the surname of Marie-Françoise to GRANGIER.

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The History of Franche-Comté [from http://www.french-at-a-touch.com/French_Regions/Franche-Comte/franche-comte_9.htm]

Franche-Comté was originally a part of Burgundy <../Burgandy/burgundy_4.htm>. Burgundy originally consisted of several historic kingdoms, counties, duchies, and a province situated within France. During the 5th century AD, the Bourguignons, a Germanic tribe, invaded and established the first kingdom of Bourgogne in France. The kingdom expanded until it included most of what is now southeastern France and part of present-day Switzerland.

The Bourguignons were conquered in 534 by the Merovingien <../../French_History/history_The_Merovingiens_481-751.htm> rulers of the Franks and were later absorbed into the Carolingian <../../French_History/history_the_carolingiens.htm> Empire. In 843 Burgundy was divided between Charles I of France and his brother, Emperor Lothair I. In 879, the kingdom of Provence, or Cisjurane Burgundy, was organized in the south, and in 888 the kingdom of Trans-Jurane Burgundy was created in the north.

After the new kingdom of Burgundy <../Burgandy/burgundy_4.htm> emerged in 888, its kings secured very little control over the local counts in Cisjurane Burgundy. In 933 the two kingdoms were united as the second kingdom of Burgundy, with the capital at Arles <../Provence-Alpes/provence-alps-cote_d_azur_town_info.htm>. The lack of control persisted after the kingdom was annexed, in 1033, by the Holy Roman emperor Conrad II.

Two other divisions of this area, the duchy of Burgundy and the Free County of Burgundy, or Franche-Comté, were also established. The name ?Franche-Comté? came about as follows: In 1127 a local count, Raynald III, refused to do homage to the German king Lothair II. After 10 years of conflict, Raynald was victorious. Thereafter, he was the franc-Comté or "free count". Raynald?s territory then became known as the Franche-Comté.

From 1295 to 1477 Franche-Comté was influenced by France; after 1482 it passed to the Spanish line of the Habsburg family, and in 1678, as the result of the Treaty of Nijmegen, it was permanently joined to France as a French province. In 1790, Franche-Comté, like the rest of France, was broken up into départements.

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Menoux has 229 inhabitants and is located in the Canton of Amance, Arrondissement of Vesoul, Département of Haute-Saône (70), and Region of Franche-Comté in France. Its Postal Code is 70160.

Pierre-Jean married Marie-Françoise GRANGIER on 13 Feb 1811 in Menoux, Département de Haute-Saône (Franche-Comté), France. Marie-Françoise (daughter of Jean-Baptiste GRANGIER and Anne-Françoise COLARD) was born on 19 Mar 1788 in Menoux, Département de Haute-Saône (Franche-Comté), France; died between 1860 and 1870 in Fredonia, Ozaukee, Wisconsin, United States. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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• WikiTree Link: Grangier-6
• FamilySearch ID: 961Z-M3D

Notes:

Possibilities of family name -- Granje/Granjé/Grange/Grangé/Grangay/Granger/Grandgier.

See General Note for Pierre, husband.



A query by Robert L. Quinnett with a reply from Philippe Grangé, pgrange@sophocle.imaginet.fr, printed in Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.french on 5 May 1999, subj: Grangje=Grange? [Information on Philippe Grangé: Philippe Grangé,pgrange@univ-lr.fr, UNIVERSITE DE LA ROCHELLE, Centre Universitaire de Français Langue Etrangère, Faculté des Langues, Arts et Sciences Humaines (FLASH), 1, Parvis Fernand Braudel 17042 La Rochelle cedex 1, tél (33) 5 46 45 68 23, fax (33) 5 46 50 59 95, http://www.univ-lr.fr/flash/cufle.]--



Query by Robert L. Quinnett: Ma famille (Jean-Pierre Quinet, Marie "Granje", et huit enfants) a arrivée en les Etats-Unis de France vers 1832. Est-ce que le nom "Granje" est la même que Grange, Grangé, ou Granger? Bob.



Reply to Robert L. Quinnett from Philippe Grangé: Bonjour. En effet, je pense que c'est la même origine ; il y avait souvent des variantes dans la transcription orthographique des noms. L'orthographe "Granje" semble rare. "Granger" est la plus fréquente. (Para.) Vous savez sans doute que ce patronyme est originaire de l'ouest des Pyrénées (Béarn, Bigorre..) On suppose que nos ancêtres étaient propriétaires de granges (barns), ce qui, dans cette région montagneuse, désigne en fait la plupart des bâtiments agricoles. (Para.) C'est une des rares régions de France d'où l'on a émigré vers les Etats-Unis au début du 20e siècle. On appelait ces émigrants les "Barcelonettes" (du nom d'un village). Est-ce que votre aieule Marie Granje était une "Barcelonette"? (Para.) Meilleurs sentiments,...



Reply to Philippe Grangé by Robert L. Quinnett: Je ne sais pas, mais peut-être Marie habitée à Paris. Nous pensons que un fils de Marie, Joseph-Pierre Quinet, est né là le 26 août 1830. (Para.) Merci beaucoup pour les informations. Bob

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I have discovered that de Granje is a name in the Netherlands which means that it is probably in Belgian Flanders also. Since many Quinet/Quinette live in Belgium, it is possible that Jean-Pierre and Marie came from Belgique. However, none of their descendants ever stated that. On the contrary they claimed (or seemed to claim as far as Archie Eli Quinnett was concerned) a French origin. Also, the Ozaukee County WI census shows France as place of origin. However, when they married in 1803, Belgium was part of France!: Robert L. Quinnett 5 Dec 1999.

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• WikiTree Link: Quinet-8

Antoine married Monique MARIZOT on 20 Feb 1781 in Contraglise, Haute-Saune, France. Monique was born on 27 Dec 1750 in Contraglise, Haute-Saune, France; and died. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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• WikiTree Link: Marizot-1
• Baptism: 28 Dec 1750, Contraglise, Haute-Saune, France

Notes:

Profession - laboureur (ploughman): LDS, Family Search microfilm #1071343, information from Jacques Charbonnier, jacques.charbonnier@free.fr, email dated 16 June 2004, Subject: Famille QUINET ou ... extra-terrestres ? ... SUITE.

Jean-Baptiste + Anne-Françoise COLARD. Anne-Françoise was born about 1745 in Menoux, Département de Haute-Saône (Franche-Comté), France; died on 27 Apr 1823 in Menoux, Département de Haute-Saône (Franche-Comté), France. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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• Name: Anne-Francoise Collas
• FamilySearch ID: KN1R-HJV