Albert J M FIRMENICH

Other Events and Attributes:

• FamilySearch ID: 9V1V-MYJ
• Occupation: 1910; Hardware Store Salesman
• Residence: 1910, Baudette, Beltrami, Minnesota, United States
• Occupation: 1920, Koochiching, Minnesota, United States; Gen Store, Bookkeeper
• Residence: 1920, Meaduig, Koochiching, Minnesota, United States

Family/Spouse: Margaret COONEY. Margaret was born in Jul 1875 in Wisconsin, United States; died in 1914; was buried in Ashland, Ashland, Wisconsin, United States. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Other Events and Attributes:

• Baptism: Cologne, Nordrhein-Westfalen, Germany; Address:
  Cologne Cathedral
• Occupation: 1890–99, Ashland, Ashland, Wisconsin, United States; Millwright at Mowatt & Thompson, 303 Seventh Avenue E
• FamilySearch ID: KVVH-BCD
• Immigration: 22 Apr 1847, New York, New York, United States
• Naturalization: 1852
• Occupation: 1870; Laborer
• Immigration: 1880
• Residence: 1880, Brighton, Marathon, Wisconsin, United States
• Possessions: 1893, Ashland, Wisconsin, United States; 160 acres of land
• Occupation: 1880–1920, Farmer
• Residence: 1882–1920, Ashland, Ashland, Wisconsin, United States

Notes:

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Immigration:
Name: Mathias Fermaintz
Arrival Date: 22 Apr 1847
Estimated birth year: abt 1843
Age: 4
Gender: Male
Port of Departure: Antwerp, Belgium
Ship Name: Epervier
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Line: 33
Microfilm Serial: M237
Microfilm Roll: M237_66
List Number: 191
Page Number: 2

Immigration:
Obviously incorrect since he was married in 1867 in Wisconsin and is noted in the 1850-1880 census records.

Died:
From Superior Telegram, Sept 29, 1931

AGED PIONEER LAID TO REST
M.B. Firmenich, 91, Buried in Ashland Cemetery After Final Rites

ASHLAND, Wis - Final rites for Mathias B. Firmenich, 91, pioneer resident of Ashland and a charter member of the Chequamegon Bay Old Settler's club. who died Saturday were to be held Tuesday morning at the A.F. Anderson residence, 900 Ninth avenue west at 9 o'clock and at the St. Agnes church at 9:30. Burial was to be made in St. Agnes cemetery.
Born in Cologne, Germany, February 11, 1840, Mr. Firmenich came to Milwaukee in May 1847 and settled with his parents on a farm located in the wilderness 25 miles from that city.
Coming in contact with Indians who the inhabited the region, he learned to weave baskets from ash wood, a hobby which he enjoyed until the time of his death. His marriage to Miss Pauline Thompson took place at Green Bay, February 11, 1867. Mrs. Firmenich preceded him in death by 21 years.

Lived With Daughter

Mr. Firmenich first worked in Ashland as a millwright for the Miller and Ritchie company. He was employed there for four years. and later became connected with D.W. Mowatt firm where he was employed until 1905. He also lived on a farm near Sanborn until 1916. For the past few years he has been making his home with his daughter. Mrs. Andrew Anderson on Ninth avenue west.

Survivors Listed

Surviving are: Five daughters, Mrs. Emma Martin, Milwaukee; Mrs. William McKinley, Seattle; Mrs. Tom Gorman, Iron Mountain, Mich.; Mrs. Joseph Fabro and Mrs. A.F. Anderson, Ashland. Two sons, Henry of Elma, Manitoba, and Albert of International Falls; fifty-two grandchildren and seven great grandchildren.
Six of his grandchildren saw service in France during the World war.

Mathias married Paulina Henrietta THOMPSON on 11 Feb 1867 in Holland, Brown, Wisconsin, United States. Paulina (daughter of William Henry THOMPSON and Claude Françoise QUINET) was born on 5 May 1849 in Granville, Milwaukee, Wisconsin, United States; died before 30 Apr 1910 in Sanborn, Ashland, Wisconsin, United States; was buried in Ashland, Ashland, Wisconsin, United States. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Other Events and Attributes:

• FamilySearch ID: KVVH-BC6
• Residence: 1882, Ashland, Ashland, Wisconsin, United States

Other Events and Attributes:

• FamilySearch ID: 9V1V-974
• Occupation: 1860; Farmer

Johann married Anna Marie VOISSEL on 30 Mar 1832 in Buervenich, Rheinland, Preussen. Anna was born in Prussia; died before 1860 in Wisconsin, United States. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Other Events and Attributes:

• Name: Anna Marie Fosel
• Name: Anna Marie Tursell

Other Events and Attributes:

• Name: Henry Thompson
• FamilySearch ID: K2T7-PHR
• Residence: 1842, Granville, Milwaukee, Wisconsin, United States
• Residence: 1850, Granville, Milwaukee, Wisconsin, United States
• Possessions: 22 Feb 1858, Brown, Wisconsin, United States; 160 acres
• Residence: Between 1860 and 1870, Morrison, Brown, Wisconsin, United States
• Occupation: 1850–1870; Farmer
• Death: 22 Feb 1890, Wrightstown, Brown, Wisconsin, United States

William married Claude Françoise QUINET in 1839 in Syracuse, Onondaga, New York, United States. Claude (daughter of Pierre-Jean QUINET and Marie-Françoise GRANGIER) was born on 9 Mar 1817 in Menoux, Département de Haute-Saône (Franche-Comté), France; died on 31 Jan 1899 in Wrightstown, Brown, Wisconsin, United States; was buried in Wrightstown, Brown, Wisconsin, United States. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Other Events and Attributes:

• FamilySearch ID: L839-T28
• Baptised: 17 Mar 1817, Menoux, Département de Haute-Saône (Franche-Comté), France

William married Fasmie RUINNET. Fasmie was born in Ireland; and died. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Other Events and Attributes:

• WikiTree Link: Quinet-7
• FamilySearch ID: LC8P-3TY
• Baptism: 14 Aug 1782, La Paroisse de Contréglise, Département de Haute-Saône (Franche-Compté), France
• Immigration: 1832
• Residence: Between 1832 and 1841, Syracuse, Onondaga, New York, United States
• Naturalization: 8 Aug 1841, Onondaga, New York, United States
• Occupation: 1850–1860; Farmer
• Residence: 1855–1860, Fredonia, Ozaukee, Wisconsin, United States

Notes:

In addition to being a weaver (tisserand) it seems that Pierre was also an iron monger and dealer in hardware. Jacques Charbonnier, who discovered this information, explains it this way: "(Translation by RLQ) "On the subject of Pierre, before he was married at age 28 he worked as a weaver at Contréglise in the house of his father or another person in his family .... He was perhaps an apprentice, then a companion, but he was not the'patron (boss)'. After his marriage he set up his home at Menoux, the village of his wife, and it is there that he had his children. At Menoux, he worked for his own family and [apparently --RLQ] wanted to take on another more profitable occupation and became a hardware merchant, an iron monger. I have often run across this change of occupation among my ancestors after their marriage. After arriving in the US, he worked where he could, perhaps odd jobs downtown to start ... but in the countryside there was a place for them, so he became a farmer as indicated in the census.: Jacques Charbonnier (email, jacques.charbonnier@free.fr, 23 June 2004, Subject: Re: La famille QUINET-GRANGIER ... Commentaires !)



Dates of marriages of children place La Famille Quinet in Wisconsin between 1841 (marriage of Polly) and 1845 (marriages of Nicolas and Emily Frances), and the births of the first two children of Moise-Joseph Runnoe and Pauline Quinet further narrows the move to Wisconsin to the period between May 1842 (Josephine Runnoe born in NY) and 3 Nov 1844 (Isaac Runnoe born in WI). This, of course, assumes that the extended family all moved together (quite a logical assumption in those days). See individual records.

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The following -- together with wrong turns and dead ends -- traces a research project to find where the Quinet ancestors came from in France. The project did not culminate until 16 June 2004: Robert L. Quinnett.



According to Jennie Philpott, who died in Canada in 1951, the Quinet family came from a place which sounded to her like "Min New." : Letter from Jennie Philpott in the possession of Robert L. Quinnett. She was recalling what she had heard as a child. She could neither read nor write French, and that was the best way she could pronounce the place her mother used to talk about. If one measures about 20 miles north of the approximate edge of the city limits of Paris, there is a place called Mouy on the Thèrain River about 12-13 miles SE of Beauvais. If one measures from the center of Paris, it hits on the Oise River somewhere between Chembly and Chantilly, but angling it a little to the west hits at a town called Mery-sur-Oise. On 25 March 1999 Robert L. Quinnett checked for telephone numbers belonging to anyone named Quinet in the area referred to above, namely in the valley of the Oise (Val d'Oise--95000). Only one Quinet (Jean-Baptiste) was found in the town of Pontoise @ 01 30 31 16 72. Some names similar to Quinet (orthographic) were found, however: a Quenet in Pontoise and Chainay, Cuennet and Quesné on up the Thèrain river in Beauvais



The two towns above don't sound like "Min-New." Mouy sounds like "Moo-ee" and Mery sounds like "Mair-ee". Neither fit, but it's possible that Jennie, a child, misunderstood an entire conversation or comment and that the word or words referred to something else entirely, not a location from which the family came. Also, by the time she wrote the letter in the forties, she might have forgotten what it sounded like.

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In 1982, a descendant of Octavia Quinet and Peter Neuens, stated that the Quinet Family came from "Minuex" France, close to Paris: Marjorie Adair Neunes Gratton, MERRY CHRISTMAS to the descendants of the QUINET -- NEUENS FAMILY (December 1982), from Shirley & Harold Tisdell, 29492 County Road 181, Paynesville, MN 56362 (grandmat@tkdlink.net), 27 December, 2002.



On 7 January 2002 I [Robert L. Quinnett] used Microsoft Expedia Maps, http://www.expedia.com/, in an attempt to find "Minuex", France. It does not exist. The closest town by sound to both "Min-New" (above) and "Minuex" (also above) is "Menoux" in Franche-Comté, south of the Alsace-Lorraine region and half-way across France from Paris. A search in the Internet using Cousins Gen-Web (http://cousinsgenweb.francegenweb.org/) revealed that no one appears to be researching the name of Quinet in Menoux, so no sudden solution to this had so far developed. It would not be until 16 June 2004 that I would be forced to look at Menoux again.



On 16 June 2004 I received information that Pierre (a weaver) and Marie (Marie-Françoise GRANDGIER) were married on 13 February 1811 at Menoux, Haute-Saône.: LDS, Family Search microfilm #1071343, information from Jacques Charbonnier, jacques.charbonnier@free.fr, email dated 16 June 2004, Subject: Famille QUINET ou ... extra-terrestres ? ... SUITE and email dated 22 June 2004, Subject: La famille QUINET-GRANGIER ... Modificatif ! This second email corrected the spelling of the surname of Marie-Françoise to GRANGIER.

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The History of Franche-Comté [from http://www.french-at-a-touch.com/French_Regions/Franche-Comte/franche-comte_9.htm]

Franche-Comté was originally a part of Burgundy <../Burgandy/burgundy_4.htm>. Burgundy originally consisted of several historic kingdoms, counties, duchies, and a province situated within France. During the 5th century AD, the Bourguignons, a Germanic tribe, invaded and established the first kingdom of Bourgogne in France. The kingdom expanded until it included most of what is now southeastern France and part of present-day Switzerland.

The Bourguignons were conquered in 534 by the Merovingien <../../French_History/history_The_Merovingiens_481-751.htm> rulers of the Franks and were later absorbed into the Carolingian <../../French_History/history_the_carolingiens.htm> Empire. In 843 Burgundy was divided between Charles I of France and his brother, Emperor Lothair I. In 879, the kingdom of Provence, or Cisjurane Burgundy, was organized in the south, and in 888 the kingdom of Trans-Jurane Burgundy was created in the north.

After the new kingdom of Burgundy <../Burgandy/burgundy_4.htm> emerged in 888, its kings secured very little control over the local counts in Cisjurane Burgundy. In 933 the two kingdoms were united as the second kingdom of Burgundy, with the capital at Arles <../Provence-Alpes/provence-alps-cote_d_azur_town_info.htm>. The lack of control persisted after the kingdom was annexed, in 1033, by the Holy Roman emperor Conrad II.

Two other divisions of this area, the duchy of Burgundy and the Free County of Burgundy, or Franche-Comté, were also established. The name ?Franche-Comté? came about as follows: In 1127 a local count, Raynald III, refused to do homage to the German king Lothair II. After 10 years of conflict, Raynald was victorious. Thereafter, he was the franc-Comté or "free count". Raynald?s territory then became known as the Franche-Comté.

From 1295 to 1477 Franche-Comté was influenced by France; after 1482 it passed to the Spanish line of the Habsburg family, and in 1678, as the result of the Treaty of Nijmegen, it was permanently joined to France as a French province. In 1790, Franche-Comté, like the rest of France, was broken up into départements.

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Menoux has 229 inhabitants and is located in the Canton of Amance, Arrondissement of Vesoul, Département of Haute-Saône (70), and Region of Franche-Comté in France. Its Postal Code is 70160.

Pierre-Jean married Marie-Françoise GRANGIER on 13 Feb 1811 in Menoux, Département de Haute-Saône (Franche-Comté), France. Marie-Françoise (daughter of Jean-Baptiste GRANGIER and Anne-Françoise COLARD) was born on 19 Mar 1788 in Menoux, Département de Haute-Saône (Franche-Comté), France; died between 1860 and 1870 in Fredonia, Ozaukee, Wisconsin, United States. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Other Events and Attributes:

• WikiTree Link: Grangier-6
• FamilySearch ID: 961Z-M3D

Notes:

Possibilities of family name -- Granje/Granjé/Grange/Grangé/Grangay/Granger/Grandgier.

See General Note for Pierre, husband.



A query by Robert L. Quinnett with a reply from Philippe Grangé, pgrange@sophocle.imaginet.fr, printed in Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.french on 5 May 1999, subj: Grangje=Grange? [Information on Philippe Grangé: Philippe Grangé,pgrange@univ-lr.fr, UNIVERSITE DE LA ROCHELLE, Centre Universitaire de Français Langue Etrangère, Faculté des Langues, Arts et Sciences Humaines (FLASH), 1, Parvis Fernand Braudel 17042 La Rochelle cedex 1, tél (33) 5 46 45 68 23, fax (33) 5 46 50 59 95, http://www.univ-lr.fr/flash/cufle.]--



Query by Robert L. Quinnett: Ma famille (Jean-Pierre Quinet, Marie "Granje", et huit enfants) a arrivée en les Etats-Unis de France vers 1832. Est-ce que le nom "Granje" est la même que Grange, Grangé, ou Granger? Bob.



Reply to Robert L. Quinnett from Philippe Grangé: Bonjour. En effet, je pense que c'est la même origine ; il y avait souvent des variantes dans la transcription orthographique des noms. L'orthographe "Granje" semble rare. "Granger" est la plus fréquente. (Para.) Vous savez sans doute que ce patronyme est originaire de l'ouest des Pyrénées (Béarn, Bigorre..) On suppose que nos ancêtres étaient propriétaires de granges (barns), ce qui, dans cette région montagneuse, désigne en fait la plupart des bâtiments agricoles. (Para.) C'est une des rares régions de France d'où l'on a émigré vers les Etats-Unis au début du 20e siècle. On appelait ces émigrants les "Barcelonettes" (du nom d'un village). Est-ce que votre aieule Marie Granje était une "Barcelonette"? (Para.) Meilleurs sentiments,...



Reply to Philippe Grangé by Robert L. Quinnett: Je ne sais pas, mais peut-être Marie habitée à Paris. Nous pensons que un fils de Marie, Joseph-Pierre Quinet, est né là le 26 août 1830. (Para.) Merci beaucoup pour les informations. Bob

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I have discovered that de Granje is a name in the Netherlands which means that it is probably in Belgian Flanders also. Since many Quinet/Quinette live in Belgium, it is possible that Jean-Pierre and Marie came from Belgique. However, none of their descendants ever stated that. On the contrary they claimed (or seemed to claim as far as Archie Eli Quinnett was concerned) a French origin. Also, the Ozaukee County WI census shows France as place of origin. However, when they married in 1803, Belgium was part of France!: Robert L. Quinnett 5 Dec 1999.